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I think you have taken my comments out of context.
First the comments on not knowing big named brands that won’t spend more than 3k per month on SEO.
This is strictly speaking from first a UK perspective and second just an SEO perspective.
The argument Charles was making (and i was backing up) was that the U.S are far more ahead than the UK when it comes to putting budget aside for SEO, U.S business are better educated and more willing to part with their cash.
I know many agencies that online marketing spend can go well over £200k per month but if we remove content/inbound marketing from that equation (in my experience) the majority will be reluctant to spend large budgets.
“Blackhat still works, all you need to do is xyz”
Again, out of context, Steve Morgan was suggesting that bans might be begin from micro sites, I suggested that the way link network are set up, they might struggle when the tiers go three levels deep.
Hope this helps.
Martin, I'm not really familiar with UK businesses' perspective on SEO and what SEO will do for them on from a business perspective. So my question is, do UK businesses actually think about SEO in terms of black hat vs. white hat? This has never come up with any clients I deal with since I've been on the agency side. It's a completely irrelevant debate and issue for the businesses I work with. Is this not the case in the UK?
Again i can only speak from personal experience, but the majority i have dealt with do not know the difference.
Some have read a few post on Panda and raise a few concerns, but that's it.
I do not do any black hat methods for any of my clients, nor do i propose it as an option.
Ive replied over on the main post, but while Im here, I dont think I took either part out of context...
Martin (M) :)
I've replied, again i disagree :)
I'm still pretty amazed how much my original post went off the beaten track of what I was trying to get across and developed into a fully blown all out war between a number of people - I've also had multiple emails/tweets of support, hate and questions :P
Including a few from Martin (macdonald)
Without getting into the actual debate, I loved this line of the post, "...last time I checked Google guidelines weren’t law, so you are free to do what you like." AMEN!
I think we should capitalize on the success of that thread by organizing a boxing match between myself and Charles. Think of the profit$
I've been Junior Krav Maga champion in the UK for the past 8 months.. Feel free ;)
I have absolutely no misconceptions about winning. I'll take a few on the chin for the right price though.
Oh, I don't go for the chin ;)
Although I'd like to point out that I'm my neighbourhood's uncontested bare knuckle boxing champ, having won the title earlier this year in a prize match against Leonard "Shakey" Twofist
Communitybait content idea: 5 SEOs Who Could Kick Your Ass (just need to find 3 more!) :-)
Will there be beer?Will fight for beer.
"Black hat vs White hat" is the new "Guest Posting is Dead"
nah, "guest posting is dead" is BH vs WH's great, great grandchild. People were doing BH vs WH posts before guest posting existed.... :p
We must take our place in the Circle of Life
Let's just burn all the hats.
thanks Marktin for this interesting and real facts you brought in front of us differentiating White Hats & Black Hats. Yes, I will say to myself being a black hats because I do involved building links to manipulate Google, but not the way it should not be. The way it must be like throwing awesome content which naturally being liked by everyone which gets socially shared and build links where it goes is far better technique than manipulating i think so!
Its really a great and interesting post black hat seo vs white hat seo.. Interesting topic and i always suggest to go for white hat seo.